Well, I gambled, to excuse the punn, and it worked. Was really pleased with the way we ran the ball, but that really was to be expected. I didn't get as many big breakouts as Alex got, but with the formation I ran and the plays and reactions, I'm quite happy.

Again, some very interesting results, especially in the AFC east again, and what about the game in Carolina! Looked a cracker!

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Smug wrote : That was the toughest team we've played so far.  The first time I genuinly thought we could lose this one.

I hope you will be saying similar words next week after our 'A' game!

John G,

Well done on a dominating performance. Talk about a massive thump as the raiders fell down to earth. Even though you won in OT by a FG the stats show the real winner came out on top. This raiders team is driving me insane and looks like they are heading the wrong way at the worst time.


Alex,
Great result. Coach of the week coming your way for sure this week.

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Smug wrote : ......a close loss.

I sense a bit of insecurity here Nick!

YYEEeeeehaaaaAARGGHHHH!

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I got up at 0600 to get a drink and sat down to read the game, was not disapointed!I absolutely baked his WS and BZ with running and the new lines on defence held up quite well, athough some nasty matchups gave him big plays, one pass gave him half his passing yards!

One game out of a wildcard spot!  

And I got the 3 point OL I wanted, perfection with still 15 LPs left to spend...  

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Quite a few interesting results. Vikings managed to win one. Have a few areas to iron out, but just happy to test a few new plays. Getting shown up by the Eagles running game though.

Still last though with a +ve point diff!

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divit wrote : still last though with a +ve point diff!

LOL!  Tough luck Paul, thats all.

Thanks Greg & Alex for emailing the scores.

I will look forward to seeing just how my game went when I get my results next week and get back to you then Nick.

Call me old fashioned (and I appreciate that both teams won) but having NONE and 3 passing plays respectively and 71 & 72 rushing plays respectively is not how I would want to play this game.

Surely you can beat opposition by using a better balanced gameplan than that!

Well done Martyn for a complete Texan rout of the Chiefs.  This league is so competitive that if you don't put in the time you will get smacked in the AY.  Great win Martyn again, your Texans are rolling!

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The Cardinal wrote :Surely you can beat opposition by using a better balanced gameplan than that!

My gameplan has heaps of passing in there, but when a team can't stop the run what is the need to pass? Especially when you have a pick-happy quaterback like mine, when I started this season I had
only one squad OQB And I had some trouble passing as you might imagine, (now I have recruited new linemen, trained up skills on existing guys and have 6 players on the team with the skill and a full OL). How much passing would you be capable of with 1 OQB and 2 OPL?

Come to Philly this week and findout how our GP really works...

All valid points Alex!

However, it is week 13 not week 1, and the gameplan for the Bears would appear (on the face of the stats alone) to have been almost entirely a running one with only 3 passing attempts.

Notwithstanding the fact that a team may have problems stopping the run, I would not want to play a gameplan based purely on that.

I agree that other factors come into play, but that is just my preference.

As the underdogs, the Cardinals will be happy to creep into Philly and receive a gameplan lesson next week!!

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the gameplan for the Bears would appear to have been almost entirely a running one with only 3 passing attempts.

At the risk of sounding like Norm, what you see sumarised in the stats is not the result of all my lines, plenty of them didn't kick in at all as mentioned elsewhere.
Plus I have been playing with different reactions each week to try to learn the game a bit better and this week I used lots of 1; when you have multiple options on a line and the first 2 (in this case both runs) go really really well the others don't get called much (in this case not at all) whether they be pass run or whatever doesn't really make a difference since they are not needed and are unlikely to be called until the reaction of the first 2 drops. Also I just noticed a couple of other lines that were used were in rotate, run pass run pass rotate, but the first run was never stopped on that line, so the passing didn't need to come up.

I don't see the point in taking big chances (for me this includes most passing because it leads to picks and sacks) when you are ahead, and I was ahead for the whole game, so I ran.

Its what I do best so that's what I do most.
I must thank Norm and Nick for helping give me direction,

Norm suggested I really needed to beef up the OLine and to do it I would have to cut some of my defensive benchwarmers, this week is the second last move to sure up my line, and Nick suggested that with such a poor passing attack runnning and running was the best option, and here I am 1 win away from my goal of going .500.

I have cut more passing out of the initial gameplan each week and have been most successful the less I pass! I only attempt about 19 passes on average for the season, and yet 5% of them get picked off!(Fins only higher with 5.1) only 4 nfc teams have more picks than me even though I atttempt less than all of them, even paul.

It probably hasn't escaped anyones attention that lots of teams these days just throw lots of blitzes at your offence and hope to hurry passes and break up runs regardless of the situation and that it really doesn't matter how smart your defensive gameplan is as long as you have lots of DBZ and call BZ WS. 5 Years ago when I used to play basic in oz noone ever blitzed in my league!

It is as if they have noticed that this play is inordinately strong in GP at the moment and have resolved to exploit this by sending an allout blitz 20 or 30 times a game and they don't give up many big plays or face audibles or hotroutes like in real life, well with a passing attack like mine I can't stand up to that kind of pressure so in the last 2 weeks playing against blind blitzing defences I have run the ball to exploit that, you could call that a boring unimaginative offence because I have not passed much, but I would argue that what I have done in the last 2 games is to see a glaring weakness in 2 defensive gameplans and drawn up an offensive gameplan that exploits this weakness inorder to score points, dominate possession and win the games.
Calling a weakside corner blitz half of the game and an allout blitz the rest of the time is not how I would want to play the game on defence, it is unrealistic, short-sighted and what I would call "beardie" in my warhammer vocabulary which roughly translates to exploiting the rules of a gameset in a way to secure victory in an unrealistic way against the spirit of the game and ruleset caring nothing for the flavour, background or enjoyment of aspects of gameplaying other than winning itself.  
In contrast I have called my defence in exactly the same way I would if I were a defensive coordinator in the NFL. I'm not saying I don't blitz, I inherited 9 squad DBZ and am a huge Jim Johnson fan, but I call it when I think it will do the most good, when it is a smart choice, including all DB blitzes  I have blitzed only 18% of my 743 defensive plays this year, compared to 38% run defences  38% pass defences, and 5% MD, and I try to call the best play depending onthe situation, not just call the strongest defensive play over and over, that is why I am so increadibly pleased that 3/4 way through my first season of advanced I have the leagues 4th best defence and that I have managed to grab a couple of wins against teams that use the kind of defences I hate and think are a blight on gameplan's wonderful diversity and complexity.

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Surely you can beat opposition by using a better balanced gameplan than that!

No not yet! I will try again this week, Any pointers from the Leagues 2nd best offence?
Its not like it was a simple GP either, even though I only passed 3 times I used 16 different plays, 11 different runs were run more than once.
THere's not much of a better strategy in the Windy city than to run the ball on a sludgy soldier field in the snow!

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As the underdogs, the Cardinals will be happy to creep into Philly and receive a gameplan lesson next week!!

Dream on, you have won more advanced games than I have played, I'll be the student!  

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Nice write up Alex and you have some very interesting points and I agree on most of them.

Alex, I have now read through your lengthy riposte in detail and fully understand the circumstances in which these stats arose. I never implied your gameplan was simple, I just do not like to see such overwhelmingly one dimensional play - and that goes for the all BZ defenses too, there is no skill (in my opinion) in calling an allout blitz defense in gameplan.

There is however a skill in identifying an opponents weakness, and I accept entirely that is what you have done, and in achieving the win it has reaped its reward.

It may mean that I am a weaker coach for it, but I would not want to end up with a gameplan so onesided, and I accept that it would probably mean that I would not have won the game but I can live with that.

It's just a matter of personal styles after all!

So, next week I shall be playing S - OS/DL/DS/QL on all offense and RD only on defense!!

I'm off to take my RB's & TE on a fortnights holiday!!

See you in Philly......

 

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I have now read through your lengthy riposte in detail

Sorry about that, but I do love to chat about gaming, if it wasn't for this forum my Mrs would go stir crazy!

Its fairly safe to say that these running stats will not be replicated against you, although I do remember Ritchie had a good game agaisnt you earlier in the season when I called LT for the first time ever (i'm sure I;d never heard of it my old NFLBC days). As you will see from this week's scouting of my team I have only completed 12% of my long passes so maybe its time to give it a bit of a shot in the arm by coming out in a Stretch all game!

I have been looking froward to this game since our earlier matchup, that I managed to win mostly due to the fact that you had just relocated from New York, had just fired half the team and were training in a kindergarten sandbox while your facilities were finished, this time will be a little different!

No mention about the Pack shutting down the 49ers?  Well, until Joe Montana turned up for the fourth Q that is!! I panicked for a while when I thought they’d get an undeserved win……

All a result of a new plan – hope is brings the same success next time against the Bears.

I would like my team to keep scoring in the second half tho!

I'm am more than certain that the reason Alex has run so much in the last two weeks is because the teams he played didn't make his gameplan shift off to something else. My gameplan would probably do the same. My Vikes struggle to pass as well so I make adjustments to run more. I'll be looking to be more balanced in the future but I'm trying to be proactive to this league rather reactive and do something different.

There is a lot of unbalanced, unrealistic play that happens in this game. I don't think we should worry about it too much, it'll ruin the fun.

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Fles wrote: Well done Martyn for a complete Texan rout of the Chiefs.  This league is so competitive that if you don't put in the time you will get smacked in the AY.  Great win Martyn again, your Texans are rolling

Thanks Dave, as always gracious in defeat. I bet you love playing me!!!



You had me worried when you got it back to 20-13 but then a big breakout TD and the sack and the game was over.

As I mentioned before the game I changed my O around quite a bit this week. Not exactly my A game but between C and B! That isn't being disrespectful to you it just shows how far away I still think I am with what this Texan team could achieve given some more training and squad moves. In style it was nearer to what I want, if not execution. Running my O from the A the last few weeks has almost killed me! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh, boring or what!



Let's spread those receivers to the four winds and have some fun, none of this 3 yards and a cloud of dust rubbish for me! (There is a reason I'm a Rams fan IRL remember!)



Picking up on Alex's post, I agree 100% with what you say. The all WS BZ D is the one thing that REALLY gets to me about gameplan becuase if you don't know it is coming it is just too good against a wide variety of plays and the O never reacts to seeing the same thing play after play. I know I used a lot of BZ and KB in my first game or two, but that was becuase I didn't have the training in other plays and I needed to risk it to get a win - I'm sure people have noticed the last few games my D have been a lot more balanced.

To keep MTP happy, I will endeavour to hammer the BZ Steelers week 16 by passing rather than running...



Cheers,

Martyn  

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