Tommy, about time you got your back side in here, l hope to see you in NFLAY soon as possible bring Vic and the Buckles the four of you will really add some dangerous fire power to an already strong league, if you dare ;-)
Get into AFC central and l'll show you four girls how to play this game if you dare ;-)

 
More paramedics needed,

I doubt there are enough empty slots left in this league for 4 more coaches, but imagine the fireworks if on top of the 14 coaches that have joined in the last season if there were 4 more!
Tom's a top bloke, I've played him in several darkages games, I don't remember if we've crossed paths in gameplan before...

Tom, l still remember those flag football games we played in the early ninties at como park too funny. Andy Mac was so fired up to toast you, l remember having a go at QB and Andy Mac would say l'll go deep on Tom just toss it up there on a DL ;-) he was juiced in the huddle ;-)


Vader, remember we had one in South Aussie too and Too Tall Bowler was there, it got so crazy that the South Australian GPers game to Melbourne to take on the Vics in a war of GPers flag football South Aussie vs Melbourne shit that was crazy stuff :-)

As I said somewhere elso on this website - (Don't ask where cause I am still on my L plates), I am about to move so I am out of action for a while.  The challenge has been thrown down with a bit of trash talk thrown in for good measure. Ed and Vic may be interested but would also need some major coercsion. (did I spell that right?) Colin has moved on and is employed as a big time dealer at Crown Casino.  What are the odds we can entice him back to gameplan? He He.... Colin is without doubt the best Coach that Australia has produced - bar none.  I was able to work out for most coaches the how and why of their gameplan but Colin was able to do stuff that completely bamboozled me. His record speaks for itself. Six SBs in the AA/GA and another 4 in a row in the AE (I think.) And the AA/AG was by far the best league in Australia.  There were many a coach who left with their tails between their legs and returned to their other leagues.  

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am still plugging away spots avaliable there but you may have to go on a waiting list to get in the AY and take any team that becomes avaliable (your steeler gameplan is very similar to the pom style)

Tom, agree, Colin was a crazy LB with no fear with the Devils in their prime and he played gameplan like it Andy Mc used to spend hours on his AA gameplans everytime l went round to his place it was all over the house pencil and paper bits and when it came to a match against you or Ed he would spend double the time and l think Colin retired many GPers in Australia bad for business!

Loved those games in Como Park!  Andrew was always sooooo competitive. He tried to come across as Joe Cool but really he was Joe Shmo. You could just feel the competitive juices flowing through him even though he tried so hard to conceal them. Colin was his arch enemy and when Colin baited him I think it all became too much.  Andrew thought he was a great coach and we were just a bunch of rookies. He was a good coach as his regular season record shows 14-2,13-3, 12-4, 15-1 etc, etc. His record of only 1 SB victory must have really hurt him because he left town with no forwarding address.

Too funny Tom and l guess you must be right l think he was one where you guys where bad for business! Andrew was gutted like a fish to lose in the playoffs. Mc loved the game but hated to lose and l guess when kept bounding his head against a losing playoff record it got the better of him, l'd love to see him back but he does have no forwarding address "out of mind out of sight" The Models (now that's a cool band!!!!)

Plenty of great names there!  Im must say i missed a bit only playing basic for so many years, but the basic had its fair share of characters.  Good to see Chris leeson back in the fold, but lost contact with guys like Luke Brophy, Craig Sandry etc.  Actually coming to think of it, i msut now be the old salt of aussie PBM, frightening where the years have gone.  i have said it elsewhere, but it would be sincerely great to have some of those great coaches back, personally i would love to challenge whits. probably just a pipe dream though.

Stormin, what were your in order top 5 aussie gamers of all time?  I talked to Ed Buckle and know Tom, Andrew Mcdonald i know little about, Colin Buckle's rep proceeded him.  Where did Tony Kyprianou and Steve 'Too Tall' Bowler fit into the mix?

Tony K, was and old war horse of a pbmer from way way back, he was a team builder l think Tony K or he seemed to prefer to build a team with the biggest roster strength and each year he would draft a QB leave him on the bench gain a free strength and then waive him spend the funds and do it all again, l don't actually know if Tony K won a superbowl, he was a TOP bloke a real character only Tony K would be able to let us know if he won a superbowl, he was always close but l think he enjoyed gameplan for the team building, but l don't think gameplan is or every was a game to win you had to team build?


Steve "TOO TALL" Bowler, steve was more of a coach and he did win a few superbowls, but as Tom R said some coaches stayed away from the NFLAA because it was FULL of big white pointers, l think both Tony and STeve prefered to stay in the NFLAB it was an easier league saying that horses for horses. The NFLAA retired so many gpers and had a grave yard in its wake.


l think you are right BASIC had its own super coaches and they never wanted to give the advanced a try some did but soon decided it was way too hard or too much effort, l tried to get them all into the NFLAA to really test their metal but no luck.


Then we or someone came up with the idea a super league of advanced coaches we got it up and running for one season only the egos exploded the room, all the best of the best coaches in that league they drafted there teams and played one season it was disbanded ego, Tom R might remember who won that year l cannot, we had some of the basic super coaches in that league as well. lt might have been Tom Richards himself who won that super coaches league which is saying something about Tommy creds,that lose may have retired Colin Buckle yeah Tom!!!


Top advanced coaches would be IMHO drum roll please.

1. Colin Buckle
2. Tom Richards
3. Ed Buckle
4. Vic Pretotto
5. Andy MacDonald

Some names we have not mentioned but would be up in the top 20 draft picks where Kevin Leeson a rushing manic, l remember being at one of his NFLAA live readings he was 14 points down bottom of the 3rd quarter and he was still pounding the ball up the middle for 3 yards with his "I" RC's and l said when does your hurry up kick in? Kevin says l don't have one, l never thought l'd be behind!!!!! We cracked up l think Andy Mc fell on the floor with tummy cramps!


Neil Todd was a good coach but again stayed in his NFLAD and was not keen to join the big sharks in the NFLAA.


BAsic would have to have been doninated by one person in particular drum roll please...

1. Dave Flesfader
2. Greg Eccelston
3. Adam Weschler
4. Craig Sandry
5. Chris Leeson (no relation to Kev)

Dave, l might have missed someone, but we had more advanced in OZ than basic.

l think that is becasue l went to local gridiron matches and handed out flyers so we got people who where actual players and coaches into the game and they all wanted the advanced!

Fascinating stuff norm, nice to know my heritage in ussie GP!

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when does your hurry up kick in? Kevin says l don't have one, l never thought l'd be behind!!!!!

Classic!

Alex, Vader said top 5 you are number SIX!

Norman you crack me up!  That was a great story about Kevin Leeson.  You were right about too many egos in the room in the NFLAI - Invitional League.  The room exploded after only one season never to surface again.  I have never seen so many people spit the dummy in such a short time! I don't think that 1/2 the coaches saw the season out. The criteria to gain an invitation were to have been to a Superbowl in the advanced leagues.  Most were winners at least once, notable exception was Vic Pretotto who lost about 7 before he popped his cherry (against me I might add).  I went through that season undefeated only to lose in the Superbowl because I was bored and didn't work hard enough. I can't rememmber the winner. Ed probably would.  The league was all his idea, especially as he was a SB winner by then.  

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NFLAI sounds familiar, back in those days I didn't know that advanced was so fucking fantastic and would have joined an advanced league instead of festering in basic and getting pissed off at the predictability of my 1st and deep vs your 1st and deep.
One thing is for sure, that doesn't happen with my current Gameplan!
Am loving advanced and don't know why dave and I didn't try it 10 years ago when we were frequently consorting about PBM maters.

Tom, nice one so you went undefeated in old AI and lost the BOWL, the phone ran hotter than hot in that season of AI eveyone was bitching about something crying like babies. l don't think anyone had faced such strong opposition on a regular basis and they were losing regulary, too funny.


AY is strong l think stronger than AR due to AR being clones and AY having more variation, IMHO.


l am close be coming up with a defence to stop the run and shoot once that happens it's good night sleep tight now you have to come up with a way to play not exploit the system. l have totally rewritten my defence so far so good but time will tell lots of stuff flying around about what works and what does not that makes it interesting, but l have enjoyed the challenge of the "S" run and shoot, close to cracking the code, like a PS2 splinter cell sam fisher mission like that train in pandora tomorrow! That killed me but l got it in the end!


Alex, yes lots of aussie GPers went to basic and l could not turn them into advanced but we had heaps more players playing advanced than basic. Still you are here now that's what counts.

Great rundown Stormin, great insight to the man who had the best view of aussie PBM.  I always remember that there were a lot more advanced leagues than basic.  Great eharing about the AI, if my memory serves me correctly, i indeed was in it as my first foray into advanced IIRC.  i was invited in half way through the season because so many guys had spat the dummy.  I got the Jags got into the playoffs before being dumped in the wildcard.  Coming from purely basic the step up in class and a very different game was enormnous.  then the league went bang and was it.  I only turned to advanced after coming back from O/S in 2000/01 when the basic leagues had closed down.  Still love the low key nature of basic, bit more relaxed fun IMHO, but deinately love advanced for all its possibilities and control of a gameplan particularly on defence.
Stormin you brought up some great basic coaches. In my first PBM season ever in the old BA, i took the Falcons to the Superbowl much to my shock only to be absolutely annihalated by Greg Ecclestone's Raiders.  A wonderful coach who i owe deep gameplan gratitude to for teaching me the fundamentals of the ground game.
Craig Sandry was a guy i really respected, like alex, for innovative gameplans that really went against the league trends.    I rate his old BC Cowboy defence as the toughest i ever faced in basic, as Paul and Al will attest to.  Chris was a top bloke and gave very freely of his time in newsletters and help for rookies such as myself.  Great coach to boot.  Adam Weschler won a heap of silverware from what i remember in a few different leagues, quite a guru, but never talked much to him.  I am going to have to dig up a few of my old PBM papers to relive the memories.  The wife thinks i am cute but quite strange!
Think you are being far to kind for your no. 1 pick in basic Norm, trying to butter me up for our next clash?! lol  Thanks for the memories though mate, soem of those stories just brought me back to the days when Al, Paul, Sam Carlaw and i used to battle away. Over the years, despite all the great gaming i think the mateship aspect of this game is the great part to me.  Man those live readingings and gametalk til 3am at my house, a young Alex Coombe drunk, not on alcohol, but pBM glory with his DA and gameplan!  

I was quite the wipper-snapper when Dave recruited me, barely out of nappies starting Rt and ROLB for the Seaview Breakers -later to move to Centre and fill the never utilised 3rd QB spot

Poor Dave's Mrs in the next room sleeping at 1 am when Charlie Garner would take a Trap play 80 yards to score, and me leaping up  and screaming in delight!

I just found a folder that has a season from 1996 in it, My BC Eagles went 15-1 that year, with just one 3 point loss to Sandry's stingy Cowboys, scoring 52 points twice in the season, one of them a shutout, had wins over both you, Paul, Brophy and 3 wins over Crimis and this is the strange thing, my team had 0 squad OQB! Wow, rosters were small back then I guess I can't find the roster itself for that year.
(The season ended with a 20-10 loss to Paul's lions in the divisional game).

Thankfully with the forum we can recapture some of that commeraderie and spread it all over the globe!  
 

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Nice stories very funny, classics for sure.


l actually got Greg E into a college league when l played college, we played each other in one season his only season. We had a live reading over the internet via sending emails line by line back and forth with us adding comments it was quite a number of years ago, he had a better team than me more squad it was regular season match he was juiced, l knew his basic record was pretty impressive l put my life on hold for our match. Anyway l cannot remeber the details all l remember is l was up by heaps at half time like 30 plus points l minced, sliced and diced him and he never returned my emails after half time, he had spit the dummy and logged off and gone to bed, l spoke to him days later and he said he was beaten, too funny, well you had to be there but it was like he never came out of the half time locker room.
 

Oh the names and memories from BC.

I started out some time when I was still in school. Taking over the Lions in the Central. Little did I know I would (and I'm pretty sure of this fact) never win a division title! Nope. I had one Crimi who had one the first two superbowls I think and one David Flesfader at the Buccs. Dave frustrated no end. Always moving one step ahead.

But the whole experience was great. Only started to get in to Advance when I moved out of home and things got tight and all PBM got ceased and I went cold turkey. Dave and Alex spent many hours bugging me to join AY. And since I never really gave GA a chance I finally cracked. You never know for a little breather from this cut-throat league I may slip back there for a second team.

GA can be where you try out the stuff you want to test, because the AY it too damn tough to play around much I reckon.